David Horowitz on the reasons for the Iraq War

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Jack I wish you were a communicator to the American people. You do it well and you bring up the important issues we need to focus on...The truth being the very top issue. Any chance of getting you to come do a tour of speeches at many of our colleges?

It's sad, but I think many of our people today want to be a part of something and so they become part of anything without doing the honest research to know what they're really supporting (of course I'm speaking of the crazies protesting our troops, our freedoms, etc.).

Thank you for taking the time to write this. It's very much appreciated.


A. I., thank you for your kind words in private messaging, too. I want to say you are very welcome. It is the least I could do.
I may be speaking over there in the summer but it will centre around race relations and nation branding!
I wish I could have made my post shorter for those people who might not want to go through it all. I reblogged it on my work blog and cut out a few paragraphs. The issue is a lengthy one and it rests with the UN Security Council resolution but at its core it’s really quite simple: was it sufficient for the US to go to war to enforce a UN resolution without an extra resolution?
Bill Clinton would answer no if we reviewed his conduct in Kosovo and George W. Bush said no, and Congress supported both presidents.
There is a notion that collective memories of the majority last five years. We are past that five-year point now for resolution 1441, and long past it for 9-11. Many of the young folks joining the anti-war protests would have been 12 or 13 when the resolution passed.
If they were like me at 12 or 13, they probably wouldn’t understand the niceties of that, so you are right: I wonder if they do indeed know why the US is at war in Iraq.
I don’t mind the criticisms of the war as long as they are founded in truth, and too often, they are not.
Thank you for your very kind feedback.
Will you keep me up to date on details if you do see it working to where you will be here in the states?
You betcha—nothing confirmed yet but I will be blogging about it, too, and sending the post to friends here on Vox.
Jack, I am based in Orange County in the L.A. basin. If you're in the neighborhood, I'd sure like to listen to your talk. I appreciate your clarity and presentation of said clarity on the topic of American politics in Kiwi land. The more education on war and politics of the Western world, the better for the future of the world. We need to learn how to get our culture to think in centuries rather than election cycles. Since 1963, short memories and tremendously harmful court decisions have changed the course of America toward self destruction. If these decisions are not corrected in the next 20 years, I can only envision a culture of decadence and ruin. Islam won't be the next ruling culture, but I dread the thought of what will be. The Chinese appear to be self destructing as well. A knowledgeable friend predicted the fall of China in the '08 Olympics because of the one child policy and the repercussions which are just now coming to full fruition. Imagine a Tienamin Square style demonstration during the presence of all those foreign nationals' visiting with camcorders and cameraphones. What would a military action on its own citizens look like on the evening news all around the world? America's debt is largely in the hands of China but the next generation is entirely spoiled from doting grandparents, lack of siblings, lack of prospective mates, and a huge top heavy social responsibility to take care of their elders. 1 grandchild to four grandparents. Parents without siblings, so no aunts and no uncles. Six doting adults to each child. Six dependents when he becomes a wage earner but he has never known responsibility because those adults have been buying him everything he could possibly want or need. Obesity is a worse problem for them than for Americans these days. What system of government will replace Mao's? What will become of all that technology and military in the next generation? That will likely be the next superpower whatever governing style is in control of it.
Judge Bob, I’ll let you know. I sure would like to go down to Orange County. My Dad’s former business partner during the Vietnam War days, Dr Dawson McClung (USAF, retd.) was located there as a doctor.
But I cannot claim that New Zealand has a better record in education. Since the 1980s many traditional values have also gone down the drain; universities began teaching the prevailing monetarist theory in economics in the same way Communists used to brainwash their kids into the merits of a command economy.
Various liberal (I mean that in its negative sense) governments have also endowed a generation with a sense of entitlement when they have not worked for it, so the spoiled brat syndrome is not unique to the US.
The Chinese have self-destructed since 1949, losing over a third of its usable farmland since the Reds ran riot on the mainland, never mind their own destruction of values through Maoism, the Cultural Revolution and the rejection of Confucianism. There, too, there are generations who know the words honour and truth but treat them as mere souvenirs without meaning.
We have generations all over the world—and that includes the Jihadists—all wanting their slice of the pie when it comes to personal attention, crying, ‘Look at me!’ That cannot bode well because they have not put together antecedent and consequence. In the west, so many young people have not had to.
China will not change without restoring its values; the same can be said of the US itself, too. And the thing is, the best of all these nations’ values have common ground. There is a great deal of merit in Confucianism as it is founded in what westerners might call the golden rule; equally there is merit in the sacred values that America has always found dear.
To go forth in the future we need to discover our past, a hard thing in an age of short memories as you say. But this ultimately harms the élite that have encouraged those short memories, for they have fewer in their ranks who can take on their responsibilities. Leadership might not come from size but from those nations that have steadfastly refused to give in to the prevailing decline in so many places. Switzerland, for all its refusal to join the EU, has managed to maintain one of the greatest gun ownership rates in the world yet not have a single gun-related murder attributable to its own in most years; Singapore, retaining its Confucian philosophies, manages a city-state with limited natural resources.
Their example needs to be communicated to the world, as well as the positive aspects of certain parts of the US or China—they exist, but they are hidden.
This is one reason to like blogs because they can cut through the shield of the MSM and government propaganda. I do not think that we have reached any critical mass among netizens, networking citizens together in a form of moral leadership. But there are pockets of good people everywhere as you and I have witnessed, just that we are not necessarily visible.
But that critical mass can come—and if warfare now is at a terrorist, guerrilla level in so many places, I suspect moral leadership itself will come from a grass-roots base.
The system needs idealists like us, reminding people of their short memories, and maybe change will be effected not through top–down governmental, propagandist methods or the MSM, but through one-on-few communications from each of us.
I would rather hope that the next superpower, therefore, is not a nation or even an ideology, but a collective of humankind cutting through the BS and revealing the truth. Who says the ’net cannot be a force for good once more? If it can propagate hate and porn, it can just as easily propagate hope and truth.
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Jack, just to say that these are excellent, well reasoned posts and comments - I'm trying to gobble up as much as possible during a five minute break at work... Will return later for a more leisurely read. Have a great weekend.

Jack, I appreciate your sincere effort at objectivity and your attempt to focus on facts and truth. Virtually no one on the left does that here, and I say "virtually" rather than "literally" only because of the slimmest of possibilities that there may be someone who hasn't spoken up because of cowardice. That would be the only reason an objective American leftist would remain silent, I believe.

In any case, when I talk about why the US went into Iraq, I never mention 1441 because it lends legitimacy world government aspirants, and it should be irrelevant anyway, since our security should trump any resolution arrived at by a coalition of the unaffected. Certainly Russia or China would ignore the UN if they felt it necessary.

And there's another factor to consider, at least in my estimation. I actually hold it against Bush that he pursued UN approval. The delay cost us dearly, and it may even be responsible for the ongoing mess, and, more important, the unnecessary deaths of both citizens and soldiers, and Bush has been far weaker in the prosecution of the war than I'd anticipated - because of his early rhetoric.

I was against the first Gulf War, not because it was wrong, but because I felt, based on Vietnam, that we wouldn't use enough force. I was heartened by the fact that I was wrong. But in Iraq, we're back to the Vietnam scenario, not to the same extent, and with far better reason for being there, but it can literally be said that after sending in the troops and accomplishing the mission, Bush has done virtually nothing since, and I was floored the other day when he told a reporter that he'd had a "wonderful" time as President.

My worry going forward is that Bush's successor will either pull out leaving us and the world vulnerable to further extremism... or that we'll have more of the same, and so four years from now, we'll still be talking about getting the Iraqi government stabilized... only with Iran being far more "stabilized."

And so, regardless of why we went into Iraq, it's a good thing we did, because the world would be a far more perilous place today if we hadn't. One shudders at what a sanction-less Saddam might be up to right now.

Thank you, Nick and Ted.
Ted, I totally understand the sovereign aspect behind the US’s action. You are right that security should trump any international decision: I totally agree, if for different reasons. I believe the national security approach was how it was sold to the US public but I always felt Blair’s way was better in terms of my “keep it simple” mantra, at least from the point of view of not introducing an extra issue to communicate.
I also agree that this war should have followed the pattern of the first Gulf War, and share your concerns on the next four years. What the world does not need is a stronger Iran overwhelming Iraq.
Saddam will have rearmed if the Coalition did not go in: that much is clear. He would have continued to defy the weapons’ inspectors. And he would have happily supplied terrorists with weapons to use against the US. It is a pity that too many ignore these simple facts—and Blair’s speech to Parliament (separate post) certainly point to a trend of an increasingly dangerous Saddam.

A well-written post,Jack,people in the US have short memories,indeed.

9/11 was 7 years ago,most kids that are college age now were too

young to have understood the magnitude of such a heinous attack

on America.

Also,when Clinton went into Kosovo,He had no such provokation.

I believe that McCain will not bend at all to foreign pressure,except

that which is coming from mexico,to allow it's citizens to come here

illegally and steal American jobs.

Excellent points there, Blockhead. I forgot to add that part about Kosovo and you are absolutely right. If the peaceniks want to call out, ‘Warmonger,’ and if Sen. Clinton is campaigning so hard on her husband’s record, then they should be redirecting their complaints away from President Bush. I believe McCain understands US sovereignty and even the Constitution better, but the Mexico issue is a toughie. I need to read up more about it.

That's exactly right,Mr.Yan,and I intend to remember Your exact words

the next time I hear the word "warmonger".

As far as the immigration issue is concerned,Do read up on it if You

like,it is the issue that is causing most of the domestic problems here,

the mortgage mess,unemployment,the "resentment" of which B.hussein

obama speaks,all boils down to Americans losing their jobs to illegal

foreign nationals,and the lack of spine in Our own government in

regards to enforcing law which is already written.

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