ANZ Bank: revelations from the executive level

[Cross-posted] If you follow my ramblings, even when they don’t make sense, you know I had my knives out for the ANZ National Bank here in New Zealand for what I think is questionable practice. So it was interesting to meet a few people tonight who are employees of the bank, one of whom was very staunch about defending her workplace against my charges about, well, bank charges.
Humble pie time first: Sir John Anderson left the bank as a director 18 months ago, so the criticisms I put at him were unfair. I apologize to Sir John.
Tonight, I don’t know whether I should be applauding the ANZ for brainwashing its younger staff so effectively or whether I should be congratulating myself for closing the overwhelming majority of accounts held there, given that there are people who do not give a damn about the customer.
While people should defend their positions, they should also be open to hearing others’ viewpoints. Respectfully. The customer is right. Not so, it seems, at the ANZ.
‘The bank must make a profit, so it should make it from the mass customer base,’ I was told. ‘How would you do it?’
I answered, ‘Through investing, as you did years ago before charging us.’
She argued the usual points of the bank providing a service, before I confronted her with some basic logic that I have stated here before.
A deposit to the bank is, after all, my loan to the bank. When the bank loans to me, can I charge it a “Jack privilege fee”?
Around this point I was asked if we could change the subject.
There are several conclusions we can draw. First, an executive at the ANZ bank, a fairly high-up one, is not open to hearing from her customers. She has her own world, where she has been conveniently conned into thinking the monetarist solution is the only one, when history tell us it isn’t—and that the bank’s cutting of costs over the last 20 years should actually make it more efficient.
Another member of the staff, a little older but I understand a little more junior, put forward her theory which made a bit more sense, about how mortgages no longer funded the bank’s costs as effectively. She did not know for sure.
But this shows just how bad the ANZ brand is. Different answers from different people—but the higher up you go, the less they care.
Front-line staff, as I discussed earlier, cannot offer a credible explanation about bank fees that any customer who has been there for 20 or more years can fathom. Fact: people do have memories.
And it seems that it is accepted as gospel that customers are to be taken from even at a higher level, no questions asked.
How well ANZ has managed to blind its staff.
A good brand is one that listens to consumers about their concerns—and actually levels with internal and external audiences about its policies.
This experience confirms that the ANZ cannot level to either executives or front-line branch personnel, which means consumers are too far down the food chain for it to reach.
This Australian-owned bank has been profiting very well from everyday New Zealanders over the last few years, too.
But I cannot see that continue.
Any brand expert will tell you that for all the financial analyses that a client shrouds itself in, the minute the brand falters, the effects on the bottom line will be felt.
One of the symptoms is what I describe above: one based around the hope that people simply do not remember how they behaved before they began cutting their services and putting up charges.
It is a failure to be transparent and to tell the truth to those consumers—and it only takes one who is aged over 30 to be able to remember the good ol’ days versus what I consider to be the unethical treatment that is metered out today.
Just as I said a few months ago, the TSB Bank seems to be the only choice New Zealanders have, and at least the profits don’t make their way over to Sydney.
It was my ‘prerogative’, said the executive, for me to do as I wished with my money, if I had gone to the TSB.
No attempt to get it back—no promises to look into things. Even others have offered that to keep me on as a customer. Higher up, I guess, no one really cares. A lost customer isn’t important.
Even if the lost customer is a stubborn bastard with a big mouth.
If the ANZ wishes, I am happy to run a seminar for them to inform them of the niceties of listening to their customers. Unsurprisingly, I understand tonight that its profits are heading south this year.
This problem won’t be fixed with advertising, rebranding or PR.
It might be fixed by giving customers what they want and pursuing something other than short-term profit, which is exactly the message the ANZ has been sending me year after year.
Because if banks aren’t looking at the long term, then what heck are we entrusting a penny to them?
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I loved the fact that I was able to get this from Facebook. Now that my mini-vacation is over for the holidays, I have to say that your personality often reminds me of myself when you feel like you are getting hosed. I sat in my bed and literally laughed out loud for minutes and then read it out loud to get more laughs. Have all of the NZ banks been taken over by the Aussies?
Your major points seemed to have caught on here in the states too, but there are now some maverick banks like First Mariner Bank which has decided not to charge a lot of the old fees and they have been getting customers. Keep up the fight because the service argument doesn't cut it. I love the "Jack fee" line! Classic! LOL! However, it does point out a larger argument: just because everyone else is charging an unethical fee in the eyes of many customers doesn't mean that ANZ or any other bank should engage in a similar practice. What ever happened to investing in mortgages, development projects, infra-structure projects, small businesses and the local community? This is a part of globalism that is just unseemly and because of the Internet and cell phones the day is coming when consumers will start worldwide credit unions and then those execs can come down off of their high horses. I can see consumers engaging in the Obama model of micro-banking. You are on to something. Let's talk offline.
Dr. Chris
I like the idea of First Mariner—good on them! The reality is that banks like that and TSB show the big banks, supposedly with efficiencies and economies of scale, that they are full of BS.
The banks keep burning themselves on risky investments: a bad corporate culture. You are right: smaller businesses and the local community are worthwhile ventures. The ANZ does not understand this and I have had first-hand experience of it, which is why I did turn to another Australian bank to help finance one of my businesses. The parent firm closed all its ANZ accounts a few months ago in favour of the TSB.
The power will probably come down to us. Everything else has been democratized because of the internet, so why not banking? Feel free to message me!
A standing ovation on that one Jack! Man, i'd love to have a drink with you. I have never met anyone with an intellect approaching an eon off yours in singapore. The same thing goes on in singapore with people being charged for keeping less than $500 dollars in their savings account in what was once the 'people's bank'(POSB). But, as a Taiwan academic once said on the telly, singapore chinese are the stupidest amongst the chinese diaspora. No wonder this country is religiously importing mainland chinese. Insures political longevity. But you're from HK aren't you. Found HKers to be a highly vibrant and thoughtful lot. Good on you.
I'm surprised that they wanted to change the subject at this point. I would be raring to go full speed ahead with it. Lemon for the brain. Delicious thought.
Unfortunately mate, that is a consequence of the evolution of capitalism. Once people view it as a natural, they will naturally cease to perceive themselves as the cause of all that is good and descend to being mere consumers. It is not just an NZ problem - as i'm sure you are aware - but a global one. The reason why it can continue without abatement is that a problem generally is perceived to be one only when our current identities conflict with the identity it takes to see it as a natural. Marx didn't appreciate that point unfortunately.
All banks in Oz are like that and you know what? It started down this path in earnest when - wait for it - a couple of Yanks came down here at around the same time to preach their method of running a "profitable" business: Bob Joss at Westpac and Frank Blount at Telstra.
We're seeing the same shit with the current Yank import at Telstra (Sol Trujillo) who's screwing everyone/everything in a bid to - wait for it - "maximise shareholder returns".
I rue the day when business schools only ever thought kids to run businesses the way American businesses ran theirs.
We don't all live in the same way.
Most of undergrad is about regurgitation, not critical thinking (I can think of a few exceptions—the B-school tutorials were good and Lawrence Green, who consults professionally, comes to mind). I was blessed to have some very good lecturers and professors in my postgraduate years who welcomed a bit of critical thinking. That might have allowed me to spot the phonies after uni.
My dad prided himself on being able to walk into a local 1st National and get a loan on a handshake. Now they won't even talk to you in person.
ANZ used to be a place where you could get a loan not so much on a handshake, but certainly out of loyalty. That’s impossible now, even with collateral.
Hi Mr. Yan,
I have good and bad news...first the bad, IndyMac bank closed today: July 11, 2008, 3pm.
Around 10,000 people lost an est. total of $500M. The bank held $32B in deposits...still, reports say this may be the largest bank failure in US banking history.
Not so good news, huh - so here is more: five other major banks closed in the past year...imagine that.
Now, the good news--you are right about the way banks engage business with consumers, maybe you should teach a few classes...:)
Simply,
Bill